Sacred debris

Sacred Debris is currently on hiatus. So what do we do? Here this tree was a living example of a spiritual practice. Events in my church life caused me to decide to explore other belief systems and over the past ten years I have met some kind and welcoming pagans who have taught me to respect their spiritual path. When I go to other sacred sites I always carry a small bag of seed with me for that very purpose. But it is now. I will be sharing this blog there also. This is nothing new, in fact we can honestly say that this is an unbroken tradition.

I dislike the idea of taking things that are of import to the folks who left them there.. Why do ribbons get used when a ribbons of paper is as good. Until recently, the spring carpet of wildflowers was a work of art. I think you make an important distinction between offerings flowers, votive plaques, poetry photographs crystals etc. I leave offerings normally strung on the surrounding protective fence of the tree. Take nothing but wonder, leave nothing but footprints. The associated material culture, be it foodstuffs or ribbons or corpses, is long gone. It requires a bit of a hike to get there up by Harolds Stones and I think because its not the main route for the pagan tourist then we see little tat there.

Surely nature would ne happier if those flowers were left where they are to grow? A good and valid question I thought. As a kid I did not smoke but I was allowed to sprinkle the tobacco and light the cigarette. Notify me of new posts by email. Build our own sacred places on our own land, be it a ranch, a farm, a back yard or a window box. I will be sharing this blog there also. The traditional idea was that as the clootie rotted away so would the ailment it had been placed there to heal also disappear. I think one of the best offerings you could give would be simple water for the plants or seed and grain for birds and other small creatures. If the offering is a consumable, what […]. They un-ceremonially upended the bag and tipped out the contents which they then picked through, holding bits and pieces up to show the audience.

Granting permanent protection to Puvungna would send a powerful message, to CSU alums and to all Americans, that California respects Indigenous cultures. Whether people see items as rubbish or otherwise, that does not give them the right to dump them and treat them as trash. Yes I know what you mean Dave, being torn about this issue. Our modern busy lives are not conducive to building our own pagan sacred sites; we have only adopted them and co-opted the old ones to our own modern beliefs and purposes. These ancient sacred sites were built with great personal and even generational sacrifice of both time and blood and goods. As for Sacred Wells — we have one near us — St Brides — and it is fully used today — thr trees about it are decorated with ribbons. Whilst not always knowing the history or significance of certain sites I am happy to see ribbons in trees or other objects which indicate to me that here is a special place where I might learn or connect with something which may help my progress on my path of discovery. If we cannot be considerate to others needs, well are we really pagan at heart.

Sacred debris

Created at Crowdsignal. They might have immured virgins or abandoned their elderly; the early christian church even did that; as did the Rapa Nui and the Inuit. I am not a pagan nor Druid but someone who once called her self a christian from a charismatic,Pentecostal tradition. Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. So what do we do? By the time we arrived the Sun had set and we walked the ancient track in darkness. The builders of these sites were stone-age cultures. Absolutely agree with you about the Arch and Anth museum, they are incredibly respectful of cultural beliefs while still recognising their need to display items. A respectful collection and burial of non-bio-degradables, and even a specific place to leave them seem only sensible.

Visit ancient places for awe and inspiration. As usual, an informative, moving read. Let us live in the here and now. Love and Light! Whether or not it is a ritual site, or a goat pen…it sounds like it is now a ritual site. We parked our car and walked under a roadway, through a dark passage and then out into the light of the beach, and the first thing we saw was a tree literally dripping with white ribbons. I have gotten some objections to this idea, and am seeing what a wider sample of people think. Many things have been said here that touch me with their truth. Dusk is such a time of magick and a chance to touch the other world at that site in particular.

They are not our sacred sites. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! If the offering is a consumable, what […]. This would allow such offerings as were often left in sacred wells and sites by our ancestors- small figurines and coins and jewelry with a distinct absence of severed heads. I hope we as a people can reach a peaceful solution. I sometimes clean up Knowlton Rings near us, and I must say I have removed bag-fulls of aluminium night light holders. But it is now. Puvungna, a acre parcel of land on the California State University, Long Beach campus, is the last remaining undeveloped sacred Native American land in the region. I think you make an important distinction between offerings flowers, votive plaques, poetry photographs crystals etc.

The builders of these sites were stone-age cultures. I agree with Katecorwen and Aleq Grai, nothing worse than finding human,and dog excrement, and the smell of piss at these sites, I have experienced this at west Kennet myself, as for wiccany types, as a Wiccan myself, I doubt they were Wiccans. I agree completely!!! Some will say I have a bug up my butt on this but here goes. I suppose one solution could be to provide an altar or devotional table as you suggested with some appropriate offering supplies with it. If I jave offerings to take, I put them out somewhere I feel appropriate and they stay there for the time that I am there myself. I always sprinkle some tobacco be it at the base of a tree, a standing stone or a doorway. Something that is a part of you, something that has taken some thought, not only for the object of the offering, but with respect to the place and people who will visit the site after you. On a few interrelated Facebook group on holy wells and holy sites in the Netherlands and surrounding lands we had a similar discussion.

Sacred debris

In these cases a regular clearing of offerings might be considered necessary, but what to do with these? Events in my church life caused me to decide to explore other belief systems and over the past ten years I have met some kind and welcoming pagans who have taught me to respect their spiritual path. We romantically think there is a continuity of belief tracking back millennia when we do this, but there is not. By Matias Belardes. People have been leaving offerings at sacred sites since the dawn of humanity. I recall feeling such warmth to know that others felt as strong a connection to this sacred site as I, and were visiting it with regularity and intent. Also, I often offer my cleaning services, including the respectful disposal of other, old, offerings. Doing a clean up once got the ire of one pagan who called the cops.

A strip of cotton muslin, the same stuff prayer flags are made of, will look much nicer and eventually disappear entirely. As usual, an informative, moving read. Crystals are generally mined, if your idea of a sacred offering is something torn out of the Earth with explosives then you need to join up your thinking. Very well said and I am pinning, tweeting!! I myself do sometimes leave non-perishable goods, but often in a playful way: a little clay gnome peeking out of a hollow tree, or a small round chrystal in a field of pebbles. I remember being at a Pagan conference some years ago where one of the custodians of a stone circle was giving a talk about this topic. Until recently, the spring carpet of wildflowers was a work of art. Here on this beach the Great Goddess Aphrodite was still being remembered and honoured by hundreds of visitors.

Whilst not always knowing the history or significance of certain sites I am happy to see ribbons in trees or other objects which indicate to me that here is a special place where I might learn or connect with something which may help my progress on my path of discovery. Love this article. I recall feeling such warmth to know that others felt as strong a connection to this sacred site as I, and were visiting it with regularity and intent. For goodness sake why cant people just take away the tin candle holders and put them in their bin, without making a big issue about it. Once you leave the place the intent remains forever.. Published on January 22, Seeing this tree made me happy. When I stepped into Waylands Smithy and saw the arrow and flowers I was torn, as I always am when finding ritual offerings of this kind.

Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Many things have been said here that touch me with their truth. Here in the US, where being publicly visible can sometimes be very problematic, things like that are very valuable. I think one of the best offerings you could give would be simple water for the plants or seed and grain for birds and other small creatures. Learn how your comment data is processed. This land was a beautiful meadow dotted with native oak trees. If they had placed a small table I think people might have used it. Everyone respected this and candles were regularly lit and placed. But all around me, giggling.

Sacred debris

The aluminium remains of a nightlight sat at the bottom of one of the stones. Also, I often offer my cleaning services, including the respectful disposal of other, old, offerings. A couple of months ago we took a group of visiting friends to Waylands Smithy, a neolithic long barrow on the ancient track known as The Ridgeway. Not Tesco carrier bags..! Thus offerings which can may decay into the earth as I would think the offerers might have hoped and those which do not decay may form a record of ourselves as ancestors to our descendants. Damh, yet again you make us think! We merely assume that our gods find these places sacred. Sorry, but nothing matched your search terms. Sacred Debris Content Survey.

Their builders sacrificed money and time and gathered together with the single purpose of building a community place of worship. Puvungna, a acre parcel of land on the California State University, Long Beach campus, is the last remaining undeveloped sacred Native American land in the region. I would have been equally shocked and troubled if I had been sat at that table Damh. Why do ribbons get used when a ribbons of paper is as good. Bio-degradables such as paper and muslin also ring true. These sacred sites belong to pagans, as they always did. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I remember being at a Pagan conference some years ago where one of the custodians of a stone circle was giving a talk about this topic. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Crystals are generally mined, if your idea of a sacred offering is something torn out of the Earth with explosives then you need to join up your thinking.

All around me people were voicing their disgust at the litter on the table before the speaker. I must say I prefer the way the Lady well is treated. Thus offerings which can may decay into the earth as I would think the offerers might have hoped and those which do not decay may form a record of ourselves as ancestors to our descendants. But even if ceremoniously offered: nicotine is a deadly poison and it will leach into the watertable. We romantically think there is a continuity of belief tracking back millennia when we do this, but there is not. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I'm pretty sure the many responses, including my own, suggest a good few moments 'thinking about'. Contribute to larger efforts. Clooties are now placed as offerings rather than healing spells, but I still think it is important they rot away. A couple of months ago we took a group of visiting friends to Waylands Smithy, a neolithic long barrow on the ancient track known as The Ridgeway.

Leaving gifts at their sacred places is a part of that and it is something I have done myself. This would allow such offerings as were often left in sacred wells and sites by our ancestors- small figurines and coins and jewelry with a distinct absence of severed heads. If the offering is a consumable, what […]. I have never seen it without floral offerings. If time itself can move forward, so can everything else. Are we not always in communication with the world around us and are the things people leave only a part of that communication? It requires a bit of a hike to get there up by Harolds Stones and I think because its not the main route for the pagan tourist then we see little tat there. As a kid I did not smoke but I was allowed to sprinkle the tobacco and light the cigarette. Our modern busy lives are not conducive to building our own pagan sacred sites; we have only adopted them and co-opted the old ones to our own modern beliefs and purposes. Events in my church life caused me to decide to explore other belief systems and over the past ten years I have met some kind and welcoming pagans who have taught me to respect their spiritual path.

Sacred debris

For me an offering in the 21st Century is a personal gift of thought , love and intent by means of connecting to the place at that time. But it is now. I always sprinkle some tobacco be it at the base of a tree, a standing stone or a doorway. A prayer or message written on a piece of paper especially rice paper will also rot away eventually. Dont get me started on crystals. Having spent many years following a Native American path, the concept of walking in a good way with the Earth, respecting our ancestors, my wife and I have always tried to leave offerings that worked with the site, such as corn meal, milk and honey, a pinch of tobacco, herbs, and seeds or fruit for the wildlife. I wonder what you thought when you first saw the title of this post? Since our inception in , the Sacred Debris blog has primarily been a history repository, reflecting my interest in preserving the roots of our scene. Doing a clean up once got the ire of one pagan who called the cops.

Why do ribbons get used when a ribbons of paper is as good. I looked at Cerri and it was obvious that she was feeling it too. Ritual offerings — Sacred or debris? If we cannot be considerate to others needs, well are we really pagan at heart. In the centre of the far end of the tomb an arrow had been pushed into the earth. Small things that we know will rot away into nothing over the course of time. Walk gently through my garden Let your presence not be felt by sound or deed Leave no trace of your passing from print or from greed Disturb not the creatures that live here, the tree and the bee What ever you bring with you, be sure to take when you leave Take only the memories of what you perceive. It has since decayed.

If they had placed a small table I think people might have used it. Take nothing but wonder, leave nothing but footprints. The caretakers could also give context to the site via such signage explaining the known history etc. So what do we do? We are presuming to layer our belief systems over places sacred to someone else. I remember being at a Pagan conference some years ago where one of the custodians of a stone circle was giving a talk about this topic. He wrote this commentary for CalMatters. Sorry, but nothing matched your search terms. People still coming here and leaving their offerings.

It requires a bit of a hike to get there up by Harolds Stones and I think because its not the main route for the pagan tourist then we see little tat there. Surely nature would ne happier if those flowers were left where they are to grow? Our modern busy lives are not conducive to building our own pagan sacred sites; we have only adopted them and co-opted the old ones to our own modern beliefs and purposes. For much of my life, when I found myself walking through a forest or the countryside on one of those little public footpaths that meander across the green Sussex Downs. I was shocked. For me an offering in the 21st Century is a personal gift of thought , love and intent by means of connecting to the place at that time. But it is the land itself that is the cultural resource. Small things that we know will rot away into nothing over the course of time.

Sacred debris

They might just be a goat pen for all we know! We must always be respectful of our sacred sites and while also having respect for those who have come to leave offerings. In Europe some old churches were built on top of pagan sacred sites and while the purpose at the time was to obliterate the pagan presence, building on them has inadvertently preserved the site as a sacred space of worship. By the time we arrived the Sun had set and we walked the ancient track in darkness. I must say I prefer the way the Lady well is treated. We have no clue to their values. Ritual offerings. Here this tree was a living example of a spiritual practice.

By Matias Belardes. I also remove dead flowers from the altars and simply place them on the ground to be recycled and given back to the earth. A good and valid question I thought. They might just be a goat pen for all we know! They might not have been sacred to her but to the partner of that dead boyfriend, who had written their heartfelt words onto a scroll, then left it in what they obviously considered a sacred place as a Christian might light a candle in a Church it was important. When I put food out for the birds or squirrels I consciously do it as an act of friendship for them and welcome them to my garden,when I use produce from my allotment I always say thank you to the plant and the earth for the provision,when I walk in the woods I try very hard to be grateful and to whisper my thanks for the beauty around. They left no writings or liturgy behind, just some carvings and earthworks that are evocatively mysterious. We merely assume that our gods find these places sacred. We cannot hold religious ceremonies in a strip mall parking lot or the lobby of a building.

They are not our sacred sites. Ritual offerings. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. The traditional idea was that as the clootie rotted away so would the ailment it had been placed there to heal also disappear. I think that a happy medium would be to leave natural offerings alone, and pick up the plastic flowers, chemlights, etc. People have been leaving offerings at sacred sites since the dawn of humanity. I am not a pagan nor Druid but someone who once called her self a christian from a charismatic,Pentecostal tradition. For much of my life, when I found myself walking through a forest or the countryside on one of those little public footpaths that meander across the green Sussex Downs.

My Paganism is rooted in a relationship of reciprocity with gods and ancestors. Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Obviously it is better to leave something biodegradable but those of us still searching for our path they are a help. Build our own sacred places on our own land, be it a ranch, a farm, a back yard or a window box. Part of me thinks why did you feel the need to leave something like this? Very well said and I am pinning, tweeting!! I have never seen it without floral offerings. Whether or not it is a ritual site, or a goat pen…it sounds like it is now a ritual site.

Sacred debris

We must always be respectful of our sacred sites and while also having respect for those who have come to leave offerings. Whether or not it is a ritual site, or a goat pen…it sounds like it is now a ritual site. My tribal government asks that, as a first step, the university clean up the construction debris, relocate the dumped soil and hire an indigenous plant specialist to restore the damaged habitat on Puvungna. He wrote this commentary for CalMatters. Love and light Sylvia. Since our inception in , the Sacred Debris blog has primarily been a history repository, reflecting my interest in preserving the roots of our scene. We walked to the doorway, crouched down and crawled inside the tomb. Related Posts. In Europe some old churches were built on top of pagan sacred sites and while the purpose at the time was to obliterate the pagan presence, building on them has inadvertently preserved the site as a sacred space of worship. When I lived in the City we used to go every spring equinox and wash the statue and clear away older offerings.

A respectful collection and burial of non-bio-degradables, and even a specific place to leave them seem only sensible. I agree completely!!! Small things that we know will rot away into nothing over the course of time. Published on January 22, We did not disturb the presumed sacred offering. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. We will hopefully return soon. I suppose one solution could be to provide an altar or devotional table as you suggested with some appropriate offering supplies with it. This is a wonderful article and also something that I have struggled with as well haveing found many bits of non-biodegradable things , To this end I would like to share my favorite offering, for I do make offerings in reverence and celebration of sacred sites.

Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I agree completely!!! On Monday I sat down in front of my Mac to write an article for my blog. Blessed Be. If we cannot be considerate to others needs, well are we really pagan at heart. A strip of cotton muslin, the same stuff prayer flags are made of, will look much nicer and eventually disappear entirely. No, I had tears in my eyes. Times I have visited — the place is covered in wax, litter, plastic bags, used johnies, tea lites, and all manner of tat. They left no writings or liturgy behind, just some carvings and earthworks that are evocatively mysterious. I recall feeling such warmth to know that others felt as strong a connection to this sacred site as I, and were visiting it with regularity and intent.

When I go to other sacred sites I always carry a small bag of seed with me for that very purpose. CSU Long Beach has also sprayed the meadow with pesticides, killing many of the native flowers and grasses. They left no writings or liturgy behind, just some carvings and earthworks that are evocatively mysterious. Here is a small poem I wrote in the New Forest, when the Awen was flowing for me, I think you may find it apt! Love and light Sylvia. In the centre of the far end of the tomb an arrow had been pushed into the earth. Notify me of new posts by email. And, as was mentioned previously, they offer a tangible sign of community.

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They may have sacrificed grain, or goats or babies for all we know. We have to realise we live in a very different world to that of our an ancestors, all their offerings would have been bio-degradable , free from plastic, foil etc. I agree with Katecorwen and Aleq Grai, nothing worse than finding human,and dog excrement, and the smell of piss at these sites, I have experienced this at west Kennet myself, as for wiccany types, as a Wiccan myself, I doubt they were Wiccans. In the centre of the far end of the tomb an arrow had been pushed into the earth. It seems to be something in our very DNA. But it is now. A respectful collection and burial of non-bio-degradables, and even a specific place to leave them seem only sensible. On Monday I sat down in front of my Mac to write an article for my blog. There is no easy answer to this debate.

Also, I often offer my cleaning services, including the respectful disposal of other, old, offerings. In these cases a regular clearing of offerings might be considered necessary, but what to do with these? If time itself can move forward, so can everything else. Pilgrimage to pagan built labyrinths and pagan gatherings. I always sprinkle some tobacco be it at the base of a tree, a standing stone or a doorway. The flip side of that is, that lends itself to keeping them low impact. As are the ribbons and clooties on other trees in Britian. I think that a happy medium would be to leave natural offerings alone, and pick up the plastic flowers, chemlights, etc.

If they had placed a small table I think people might have used it. This is a wonderful article and also something that I have struggled with as well haveing found many bits of non-biodegradable things , To this end I would like to share my favorite offering, for I do make offerings in reverence and celebration of sacred sites. Also, I often offer my cleaning services, including the respectful disposal of other, old, offerings. I also like the previously mentioned solution of leaving things for the duration of a visit, then taking them away as you go. Their builders sacrificed money and time and gathered together with the single purpose of building a community place of worship. On a few interrelated Facebook group on holy wells and holy sites in the Netherlands and surrounding lands we had a similar discussion. Dahm, I agree with you completely. Dusk is such a time of magick and a chance to touch the other world at that site in particular. Love and light Sylvia.

I also remove dead flowers from the altars and simply place them on the ground to be recycled and given back to the earth. Picking up plastic and metal, recycling it, leaving the site better than I found it. If people use non rotting materials then they build up and get very weathered, dirty, untidy and look horrible, and remain looking horrible for many years, eventually falling down and getting buried in the soil like some kind of sacred landfill. I hope we as a people can reach a peaceful solution. I have never seen it without floral offerings. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Take nothing but wonder, leave nothing but footprints. If you do decide to adopt this wonderful offering please remember to take the filters or the butts away from the site as the object in the offering is that only your gratitude and positive energy connecting earth and sky remains behind. So what do we do?

Sacred debris

We romantically think there is a continuity of belief tracking back millennia when we do this, but there is not. I must say I prefer the way the Lady well is treated. I believe that one should consider the ecological impact that the offerings may have on the environment. Here this tree was a living example of a spiritual practice. They are not our sacred sites. Some will say I have a bug up my butt on this but here goes. I'm pretty sure the many responses, including my own, suggest a good few moments 'thinking about'. But personally, I would leave flowers or corn meal. And since offerings are going to be made, then the cleaning should be part of the maintenance of the site. I looked at Cerri and it was obvious that she was feeling it too.

There were flowers. If they had placed a small table I think people might have used it. A respectful collection and burial of non-bio-degradables, and even a specific place to leave them seem only sensible. I would have been equally shocked and troubled if I had been sat at that table Damh. A prayer or message written on a piece of paper especially rice paper will also rot away eventually. We parked our car and walked under a roadway, through a dark passage and then out into the light of the beach, and the first thing we saw was a tree literally dripping with white ribbons. Sat quietly among the stones. They left no writings or liturgy behind, just some carvings and earthworks that are evocatively mysterious. Ritual offerings.

I like the offering of clearing debris respectfully. But it is now. The peace was disturbed by grockles holiday makers , looking for the nature of the forest they will never see! The flip side of that is, that lends itself to keeping them low impact. What better way to continue the Circle of Life? Fallen, not picked or cut I also sprinkle seeds and berries as an offering, wiith the double benefit of honouring the Oak AND feeding the wildlife. If people use non rotting materials then they build up and get very weathered, dirty, untidy and look horrible, and remain looking horrible for many years, eventually falling down and getting buried in the soil like some kind of sacred landfill. Contribute to larger efforts. I think you make an important distinction between offerings flowers, votive plaques, poetry photographs crystals etc.

I also like the previously mentioned solution of leaving things for the duration of a visit, then taking them away as you go. In addition to your suggestion of an altar, perhaps the caretaker can ask that certain items not be left as offerings but do so in a loving way that respects the pilgrim. I hope we as a people can reach a peaceful solution. Whether people see items as rubbish or otherwise, that does not give them the right to dump them and treat them as trash. It was one of the first times as a pagan that I felt I was not alone. The flip side of that is, that lends itself to keeping them low impact. Also, I often offer my cleaning services, including the respectful disposal of other, old, offerings. Very well said and I am pinning, tweeting!! I was shocked.

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It was one of the first times as a pagan that I felt I was not alone. As usual, an informative, moving read. Taking home old weathered synthetic ribbons, papers etc, burning them, thanking the energies and scattering the ashes on my compost heap. I hope we as a people can reach a peaceful solution. We romantically think there is a continuity of belief tracking back millennia when we do this, but there is not. We parked our car and walked under a roadway, through a dark passage and then out into the light of the beach, and the first thing we saw was a tree literally dripping with white ribbons. When I go to other sacred sites I always carry a small bag of seed with me for that very purpose. Please try again with different keywords.

For me an offering in the 21st Century is a personal gift of thought , love and intent by means of connecting to the place at that time. Having spent many years following a Native American path, the concept of walking in a good way with the Earth, respecting our ancestors, my wife and I have always tried to leave offerings that worked with the site, such as corn meal, milk and honey, a pinch of tobacco, herbs, and seeds or fruit for the wildlife. Whilst not always knowing the history or significance of certain sites I am happy to see ribbons in trees or other objects which indicate to me that here is a special place where I might learn or connect with something which may help my progress on my path of discovery. If they had placed a small table I think people might have used it. This is nothing new, in fact we can honestly say that this is an unbroken tradition. If people are going to leave offerings make them natural offerings. Shocked that people would leave offerings that might damage the stones like candles, but also shocked at the callous way some of these offerings had been not only dismissed, but treated so horribly by a person who, as a Pagan, seemed to have no respect for the emotion behind some of the offerings. Created at Crowdsignal. I remember being at a Pagan conference some years ago where one of the custodians of a stone circle was giving a talk about this topic. There is a drive to leave physical objects in honour of our Gods and the Spirits of Place.

The aluminium remains of a nightlight sat at the bottom of one of the stones. I looked at Cerri and it was obvious that she was feeling it too. A roll of cotton or paper ribbon or some other biodegradable items. Here on this beach the Great Goddess Aphrodite was still being remembered and honoured by hundreds of visitors. Our modern busy lives are not conducive to building our own pagan sacred sites; we have only adopted them and co-opted the old ones to our own modern beliefs and purposes. These ancient sacred sites were built with great personal and even generational sacrifice of both time and blood and goods. Your email address will not be published. We are presuming to layer our belief systems over places sacred to someone else. I recall feeling such warmth to know that others felt as strong a connection to this sacred site as I, and were visiting it with regularity and intent. Visit ancient places for awe and inspiration.

Walking through the gate to the barrow it appeared as a black shape in the night. If the offering is a consumable, what […]. And since offerings are going to be made, then the cleaning should be part of the maintenance of the site. The builders of these sites were stone-age cultures. Granting permanent protection to Puvungna would send a powerful message, to CSU alums and to all Americans, that California respects Indigenous cultures. Seeing this tree made me happy. I always remove debris from sacred sites, just as I do if I visit a grave. Crystals are generally mined, if your idea of a sacred offering is something torn out of the Earth with explosives then you need to join up your thinking.

Sacred debris

Leave a Reply Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. This would allow such offerings as were often left in sacred wells and sites by our ancestors- small figurines and coins and jewelry with a distinct absence of severed heads. I dislike the idea of taking things that are of import to the folks who left them there.. I think one of the best offerings you could give would be simple water for the plants or seed and grain for birds and other small creatures. And since offerings are going to be made, then the cleaning should be part of the maintenance of the site. A parking lot already juts into our meadow, and now a huge mound of debris and dirt desecrates our ceremonial space. On Monday I sat down in front of my Mac to write an article for my blog. Damh, yet again you make us think!

People still coming here and leaving their offerings. It requires a bit of a hike to get there up by Harolds Stones and I think because its not the main route for the pagan tourist then we see little tat there. A strip of cotton muslin, the same stuff prayer flags are made of, will look much nicer and eventually disappear entirely. Many things have been said here that touch me with their truth. Obviously it is better to leave something biodegradable but those of us still searching for our path they are a help. We walked to the doorway, crouched down and crawled inside the tomb. But it is the land itself that is the cultural resource. The peace was disturbed by grockles holiday makers , looking for the nature of the forest they will never see! Small things that we know will rot away into nothing over the course of time. My Paganism is rooted in a relationship of reciprocity with gods and ancestors.

Then, having done their job so to speak, I take them away with me. Whether or not it is a ritual site, or a goat pen…it sounds like it is now a ritual site. Which I think is lovely. They are not our sacred sites. If time itself can move forward, so can everything else. Catholic churches even have places especially for offering candles. My tribal government asks that, as a first step, the university clean up the construction debris, relocate the dumped soil and hire an indigenous plant specialist to restore the damaged habitat on Puvungna. I wonder what you thought when you first saw the title of this post?

Leaving gifts at their sacred places is a part of that and it is something I have done myself. A couple of months ago we took a group of visiting friends to Waylands Smithy, a neolithic long barrow on the ancient track known as The Ridgeway. Interesting thoughts. There were ribbons, hair, but also plastic bags, and other non-biodegrable stuff tied to the trees. Many things have been said here that touch me with their truth. Build our own sacred places on our own land, be it a ranch, a farm, a back yard or a window box. If they had placed a small table I think people might have used it. Surely nature would ne happier if those flowers were left where they are to grow? I must say I prefer the way the Lady well is treated.

Sacred debris

Dont get me started on crystals. Why not leave only footprints? If people are going to leave offerings make them natural offerings. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. As usual, an informative, moving read. It brought me joy to see it. And since offerings are going to be made, then the cleaning should be part of the maintenance of the site. For me an offering in the 21st Century is a personal gift of thought , love and intent by means of connecting to the place at that time. After the birth of my daughter I left a small wooden shrine at a long barrow hidden in Gloucestershire woods near where I lived. But it is the land itself that is the cultural resource.

Granting permanent protection to Puvungna would send a powerful message, to CSU alums and to all Americans, that California respects Indigenous cultures. He would break off the end of his cigarette and sprinkle some of the tobacco and then sit quietly and smoke the rest of it. They un-ceremonially upended the bag and tipped out the contents which they then picked through, holding bits and pieces up to show the audience. Bio-degradables such as paper and muslin also ring true. I would have been equally shocked and troubled if I had been sat at that table Damh. Which I think is lovely. But it is the land itself that is the cultural resource. As usual, an informative, moving read. Why not leave only footprints? A UU church I attended had a candle offering area which they cleared out at the end of each Sunday.

Sorry, but nothing matched your search terms. I agree completely!!! As modern pagans, we deplore this practice. But it is now. I also remove dead flowers from the altars and simply place them on the ground to be recycled and given back to the earth. After the birth of my daughter I left a small wooden shrine at a long barrow hidden in Gloucestershire woods near where I lived. Whether or not it is a ritual site, or a goat pen…it sounds like it is now a ritual site. I myself do sometimes leave non-perishable goods, but often in a playful way: a little clay gnome peeking out of a hollow tree, or a small round chrystal in a field of pebbles. Surely nature would ne happier if those flowers were left where they are to grow?

As modern pagans, we deplore this practice. Puvungna, once a acre prehistoric site, holds religious, cultural and historical significance to local tribes. Clooties are now placed as offerings rather than healing spells, but I still think it is important they rot away. The builders of these sites were stone-age cultures. Utter darkness. Then another part of me thinks the Pagan religion is alive, this tomb built by our ancestors is still being used years on. The associated material culture, be it foodstuffs or ribbons or corpses, is long gone. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I dislike the idea of taking things that are of import to the folks who left them there.. Dahm, I agree with you completely.

Sacred debris

We merely assume that our gods find these places sacred. I remember being at a Pagan conference some years ago where one of the custodians of a stone circle was giving a talk about this topic. Crystals are generally mined, if your idea of a sacred offering is something torn out of the Earth with explosives then you need to join up your thinking. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I myself do sometimes leave non-perishable goods, but often in a playful way: a little clay gnome peeking out of a hollow tree, or a small round chrystal in a field of pebbles. By Matias Belardes. I agree with Katecorwen and Aleq Grai, nothing worse than finding human,and dog excrement, and the smell of piss at these sites, I have experienced this at west Kennet myself, as for wiccany types, as a Wiccan myself, I doubt they were Wiccans. When I go to other sacred sites I always carry a small bag of seed with me for that very purpose. Sacred Debris Content Survey.

I leave offerings normally strung on the surrounding protective fence of the tree. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If I jave offerings to take, I put them out somewhere I feel appropriate and they stay there for the time that I am there myself. Doing a clean up once got the ire of one pagan who called the cops. Not nightlights, candles or plastic, but a simple hair my personal favourite , small cotton or silk ribbon, flowers, honey, or milk. They left no writings or liturgy behind, just some carvings and earthworks that are evocatively mysterious. By Matias Belardes. I also remove dead flowers from the altars and simply place them on the ground to be recycled and given back to the earth. For me an offering in the 21st Century is a personal gift of thought , love and intent by means of connecting to the place at that time.

Notify me of new posts by email. Dont get me started on crystals. What does a sacred place want with ribbons and candles anyway? A respectful collection and burial of non-bio-degradables, and even a specific place to leave them seem only sensible. As a kid I did not smoke but I was allowed to sprinkle the tobacco and light the cigarette. As modern pagans, we deplore this practice. This land was a beautiful meadow dotted with native oak trees. I looked at Cerri and it was obvious that she was feeling it too. If a table or other offering spot is indicated, it should be cleaned as well.

In Europe some old churches were built on top of pagan sacred sites and while the purpose at the time was to obliterate the pagan presence, building on them has inadvertently preserved the site as a sacred space of worship. But it is now. We did not disturb the presumed sacred offering. I will be sharing this blog there also. I agree John. She put her hand up to ask a question. Here is a small poem I wrote in the New Forest, when the Awen was flowing for me, I think you may find it apt! The traditional idea was that as the clootie rotted away so would the ailment it had been placed there to heal also disappear. Since our inception in , the Sacred Debris blog has primarily been a history repository, reflecting my interest in preserving the roots of our scene.

Sacred debris

Are we not always in communication with the world around us and are the things people leave only a part of that communication? Support efforts in the greater pagan community to make sacred space; give money, give time. We parked our car and walked under a roadway, through a dark passage and then out into the light of the beach, and the first thing we saw was a tree literally dripping with white ribbons. In Europe some old churches were built on top of pagan sacred sites and while the purpose at the time was to obliterate the pagan presence, building on them has inadvertently preserved the site as a sacred space of worship. A good and valid question I thought. Leaving gifts at their sacred places is a part of that and it is something I have done myself. For goodness sake why cant people just take away the tin candle holders and put them in their bin, without making a big issue about it. Love and Light! I have never seen it without floral offerings.

Notify me of follow-up comments by email. When I stepped into Waylands Smithy and saw the arrow and flowers I was torn, as I always am when finding ritual offerings of this kind. In these cases a regular clearing of offerings might be considered necessary, but what to do with these? Here on this beach the Great Goddess Aphrodite was still being remembered and honoured by hundreds of visitors. Support efforts in the greater pagan community to make sacred space; give money, give time. Dusk is such a time of magick and a chance to touch the other world at that site in particular. Which I think is lovely. I also remove dead flowers from the altars and simply place them on the ground to be recycled and given back to the earth.

Small things that we know will rot away into nothing over the course of time. Then, having done their job so to speak, I take them away with me. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. We must always be respectful of our sacred sites and while also having respect for those who have come to leave offerings. When I lived in the City we used to go every spring equinox and wash the statue and clear away older offerings. For goodness sake why cant people just take away the tin candle holders and put them in their bin, without making a big issue about it. There is no easy answer to this debate. The flip side of that is, that lends itself to keeping them low impact. If time itself can move forward, so can everything else. Something that is a part of you, something that has taken some thought, not only for the object of the offering, but with respect to the place and people who will visit the site after you.

The flip side of that is, that lends itself to keeping them low impact. If they had placed a small table I think people might have used it. One of the practices that kind of bugs me as well is the idea of cutting flowers to leave as offerings. Surely nature would ne happier if those flowers were left where they are to grow? I would have been equally shocked and troubled if I had been sat at that table Damh. Puvungna, once a acre prehistoric site, holds religious, cultural and historical significance to local tribes. We must always be respectful of our sacred sites and while also having respect for those who have come to leave offerings. Sat quietly among the stones.

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We cannot hold religious ceremonies in a strip mall parking lot or the lobby of a building. Why do ribbons get used when a ribbons of paper is as good. Then another part of me thinks the Pagan religion is alive, this tomb built by our ancestors is still being used years on. I went back to the stone circle this past Summer. There were ribbons, hair, but also plastic bags, and other non-biodegrable stuff tied to the trees. Sacred Debris is currently on hiatus. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Absolutely agree with you about the Arch and Anth museum, they are incredibly respectful of cultural beliefs while still recognising their need to display items.

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